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Criminal Justice Legislation

Renee Shaw and her guests discuss criminal justice legislation being discussed during the General Assembly. Guests: State Sen. Whitney Westerfield, R-Hopkinsville, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee; State Sen. Morgan McGarvey, D-Louisville; State Rep. Joseph Fischer, R-Fort Thomas, chair of the House Judiciary Committee; and State Rep. Chris Harris, D-Forest Hills.
Season 24 Episode 11 Length 56:34 Premiere: 02/20/17

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Criminal Justice Legislation

A slate of bills before the Kentucky General Assembly would prepare criminals to return to society, address the drug crisis, protect first responders, and abolish the death penalty.

Four state lawmakers appeared on KET’s Kentucky Tonight to discuss these pieces of criminal justice legislation. The guests were Sen. Whitney Westerfield (R-Hopkinsville), chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee; Sen. Morgan McGarvey (D-Louisville); Rep. Joseph Fischer (R-Fort Thomas), chair of the House Judiciary Committee; and Rep. Chris Harris (D-Forest Hills).

Reforms Seek to Smooth Prisoner Reentry
Last summer, Gov. Matt Bevin convened a 23-member bipartisan panel to study criminal justice issues in the commonwealth. The result of their efforts is Senate Bill 120, which sponsor Sen. Westerfield says focuses on jobs, public safety, and accountability. The legislation includes provisions to:

1. Eliminate automatic denials that felons have faced when trying to secure an occupational license after release. Instead, felons can plead their case to the licensing entity. If they are still denied a trade license, the legislation creates an appeals process to have that decision reconsidered.

2. Provide prisoners more paid job opportunities with private industries both within prison and via work-release. This would enable felons to learn new skills and earn money that they can put towards the costs of housing them in jail as well as to outstanding child support debts and victim restitution fees.

3. And create a pilot program to treat inmates with substance use disorders.

Since 95 percent of felons will return to society at some point, Westerfield says it’s critical to prepare them for life on the outside. And doing so, he contends, will reduce recidivism.

“We need to do the best we can to make sure that we send them back not as better criminals but as better citizens,” Westerfield says. “The more we can do to help make sure they have an opportunity for success once they get out the door, the fewer we’re going to see come back.”

The legislation did face some opposition in a committee hearing last week. Sen. Sen. Danny Carroll (R-Paducah), a former law enforcement officer, was among those expressing concern that the reforms might be too soft on criminals. But Westerfield notes the bill has the support of a wide range of groups, including the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Fraternal Order of Police, and the Kentucky Coalition Against Domestic Violence.

Westerfield plans to bring the bill to a vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee Thursday morning. He says the full Senate could vote on the bill on Friday.

Bail and Felony Threshold Provisions
Not all the issues reviewed by the governor’s Criminal Justice Policy Assessment Council made it into the final bill, though.

Sen. McGarvey, who served on the panel with Westerfield and praises the bipartisan work on SB 120, says they dropped a provision to eliminate money bail. He says those who are kept in jail until their trial should be decided by the danger they pose to the community and not by their financial ability to post bail.

The panel declined to raise the monetary threshold for a felony theft offense from the current $500, which McGarvey says is very low. He says they had hoped to increase it to $2,000. Doing so would have made more thefts a misdemeanor crime rather than a felony.

Rep. Harris says that idea worried county officials who would’ve have faced higher costs to jail more misdemeanor offenders without any additional funding to do so. He says the state pays to house felony offenders.

Providing More Opportunities for Expungement
Several bills before the legislature would offer more felons who have completed their punishments the chance to have their criminal records expunged. A separate measure calls for the restoration of voting rights for certain felons.

Last year lawmakers approved an expungement process for certain non-violent offenders who committed low-level felonies. Westerfield says that gave 70 percent of Class D felons in Kentucky the opportunity to eventually have their convictions expunged. Having a criminal conviction removed from an individual’s record can make it easier for them to get a job.

This year Sen. Jimmy Higdon (R-Lebanon), Sen. Gerald Neal (D-Louisville), and Rep. Darryl Owens (D-Louisville) have each filed bills that open that option up to more low-level offenders. Rep. Fischer is among Frankfort Republicans who oppose expanding expungement opportunities.

“I have a problem with expungement in principle,” says Fischer. “Private employers… deserve as much information about their potential employees as they can get to make an informed decision.”

Rep. Harris contends that those who committed a felony offense, especially at a young age, and have had a clean record for years since then, should be able to remove the “scarlet letter” of a felony crime from their backgrounds.

On voting rights restoration, the House passed such legislation in previous sessions when it was under Democratic control but those measures failed in the Republican controlled Senate. This year Sen. Neal has proposed a constitutional amendment to provide the restoration of voting rights for certain felons.

Republicans Westerfield and Harris say their views on the issue depend on which felons would be eligible for restoration. Democrat McGarvey says voting privileges should be returned to felons not convicted of murder, rape, or election fraud.

“I think one of the most basic ways you can get people integrated back into society is to make them feel they have a stake,” McGarvey says. “Restoration of voting rights is absolutely the next linear step in that. I think it’s something we should do. I think we should make it automatic.”

Drug Issues
Several bills also seek tougher penalties for dealers of heroin and opioids and limit access to prescription painkillers.

Senate Bill 14 would make trafficking any amount of heroin or the synthetic opioid Fentanyl a Class C felony on the first offense. Westerfield says previous legislation tied the level of offense to the amount of drugs being sold. He says savvy traffickers simply learned how much they could sell without risking a tougher penalty. Given the numbers of people getting addicted to and dying from these drugs, Westerfield says lawmakers want to crack down on dealers.

“Everyone is universally agreed that commercial traffickers need to be lined up and shot,” Westerfield says, “and this is as close to that as we can get.”

House Bill 333, sponsored by Rep. Kim Moser (R-Taylor Mill), also proposes tougher penalties for dealers and includes a provision to require doctors to prescribe only a three-day supply of narcotic pain medications. Harris has his own bill to limit prescription painkillers. His House Bill 193 provides for a seven-day supply of narcotics for patients. Both measures offer exceptions for situations like cancer treatment or palliative care.

Harris says jail sentences alone won’t solve the drug crises. He says the goal of limiting prescriptions is to stop addiction to narcotics before it starts.

“We’ve been fighting this war on drugs for 30 years now and we’ve got more people incarcerated than we ever have,” Harris says. “We’ve got to get to the root problem of what is causing this.”

Several bills also deal with legalizing medicinal or recreational marijuana, but the lawmakers see little momentum for those measures in this session.

Blue Lives Matter
House Bill 14 would make offenses committed against police officers or other first responders a hate crime. The measure passed the House last week after significant floor debate as well as protests from members of Black Lives Matter watching the proceedings from the gallery.

Fischer says the so-called Blue Lives Matter bill does not levy tougher penalties against those convicted of these offenses. He says it simply creates a notation in the criminal record that there was an intent to target these individuals for harm. Fischer says that note can later inform a judge considering probation, or a parole officer during a parole hearing.

Harris opposed against HB 14 in the House vote, saying it’s a “political feel good bill.”

“I didn’t feel like it did anything really to protect our first responders,” Harris says. “If you want to do something for our first responders, our police, let’s fund their retirement systems, let’s give them the equipment that they need and the training that they need to do their jobs.”

McGarvey agrees with Harris. He says the hate crime designation should be reserved for historically oppressed groups of people.

“We have hate crimes for who you are, not what you do,” McGarvey says. “If we start giving hate crimes out for occupations, no matter how noble they are, where does that stop?”

Westerfield says he has no problem with HB 14. He says he expects the Senate Judiciary Committee to vote on it next week.

Capital Punishment
Two measures, a Senate bill sponsored by a Democrat and a House bill sponsored by a Republican, seek to abolish the death penalty in Kentucky and replace it with a sentence of life without parole.

McGarvey says he worries that the death penalty can be misapplied and that there’s no data that proves capital punishment deters crime. Westerfield says he has mixed emotions about the issue and leans toward keeping the death penalty for now.

Fischer says concerns about the costs associated with executions and the risks that an innocent person could be put to death are valid. But he also says the state should have the option for applying the death penalty for aggravated circumstances.

“It’s an idea whose time is ready for debate, whether the support for abolishing the death penalty is there remains to be seen,” Fischer says. “This depends on what the people want in this state.”

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