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Energy and the Environment

Bill Goodman and his guests discuss energy and the environment. Scheduled guests: Bill Bissett, president of the Kentucky Coal Association; Hank Graddy, water issues chair for the Cumberland Chapter of the Sierra Club; Tony Campbell, president and CEO of East Kentucky Power Cooperative; and Ivy Brashear, communications associate with the Mountain Association for Community Economic Development.
Season 22 Episode 26 Length 56:34 Premiere: 06/14/15

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

This weekly program features comprehensive discussions with lawmakers, stakeholders and policy leaders that are moderated by award-winning journalist Renee Shaw.

For nearly three decades, Kentucky Tonight has been a source for complete and balanced coverage of the most urgent and important public affairs developments in the state of Kentucky.

Often aired live, viewers are encouraged to participate by submitting questions in real-time via email, Twitter or KET’s online form. Viewers with questions and comments may send an email to kytonight@ket.org or use the contact form. All messages should include first and last name and town or county. The phone number for viewer calls during the program is 800-494-7605.

After the broadcast, Kentucky Tonight programs are available on KET.org and via podcast (iTunes or Android). Files are normally accessible within 24 hours after the television broadcast.

Kentucky Tonight was awarded a 1997 regional Emmy by the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. The series was also honored with a 1995 regional Emmy nomination.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Kentucky’s Energy and Environmental Issues

Last week a federal appeals court rejected the lawsuit that Kentucky and about a dozen other states filed against the Environmental Protection Agency’s proposed greenhouse gas limits on coal-burning power plants. Attorney General Jack Conway and other plaintiffs in that suit have pledged to revive their challenge once the federal Clean Power Plan rules are finalized later this year.

Meanwhile Kentucky energy officials are preparing a state strategy to meet those new limits. But gubernatorial candidates Conway, a Democrat, and Republican Matt Bevin say they won’t submit a plan to federal regulators as a way to protest what they call EPA regulatory overreach.

All of which leaves the commonwealth in a bit of limbo over what direction to take with its energy policies.

Representatives from the coal and utility industries as well as environmental and community activists appeared on KET’s Kentucky Tonight to discuss what’s next in energy and environmental issues in the state.

The State of Coal
Despite a precipitous drop in coal mining in recent years, the commonwealth remains the nation’s third largest producer of the fossil fuel, according to Kentucky Coal Association President Bill Bissett. He says the state mines just under 80 million tons of coal a year between the western and eastern coalfields. He blames much of coal’s decline on President Obama, who Bissett says is working at a break-neck pace to change the way the country generates electricity.

From the utility side of the equation, Tony Campbell, president and CEO of East Kentucky Power Cooperative, says his biggest concern is how the current regulatory climate could affect the reliability and affordability of the electricity his company generates.

“I believe that the current administration is not doing this to be vindictive,” Campbell says. “They’re doing this because they really believe it’s the right thing to do.”

But Campbell questions the wisdom of placing too much emphasis on natural gas as a fuel source, and the pipeline infrastructure to carry gas to generating stations. He’s also concerned that the recent flurry of air and water regulations could cost his utility hundreds of millions of dollars in compliance costs and result in higher rates for his customers.

Ivy Brashear with the Mountain Association for Community Economic Development (MACED) in Berea says the combination of these forces puts Kentucky – and especially its Appalachian counties – at a crossroads.

“We understand that coal has been a very important part of the region’s past, it’s still a very important part of the region’s present, [and] it will be mined for many years to come,” Brashear says. “But we also understand that we can’t solely rely on coal any more… We have to diversify not only our energy portfolio but our economic opportunities in the region.”

State Plans to Meet Carbon Limits
The EPA’s Clean Power Plan would reduce carbon dioxide emissions from the nation’s coal-burning generating stations by 30 percent by the year 2030. To do that, EPA would establish target reductions for each state and then require states to devise their own plans to meet those limits. States that don’t submit a plan would be forced to adopt a generic strategy set by the EPA.

“It’s unbelievable how they’ve ramrodded this proposed greenhouse gas rule,” Bissett says. “We feel very confident that we’re going to win the legal challenges once the final rule is released.”

But Bissett and Campbell contend even the draft rule unfairly forces utilities to invest in new assets before all the litigation is concluded. While he says the proposed Clean Power Plan isn’t as punitive as he feared it might be, Campbell says EPA should give lawmakers, the courts, and the energy industry more time to determine if it’s prudent policy for the country.

Hank Graddy of the Cumberland Chapter of the Sierra Club says those concerns are overblown. He cites recent testimony by Kentucky Energy and Environment Secretary Len Peters that indicates the commonwealth may have to do nothing extra to comply with the EPA plan because of power plant closures previously slated for the state.

“We’re already on schedule to meet the regulation, all we have to do is do exactly what is planned,” Graddy argues. “So the statement about how disruptive this is going to be I think is nonsense.”

The coal association’s Bissett responds that his concern isn’t so much over what happens to existing plants but the prohibition on building new coal-powered stations. He says that will kill any future domestic market for Kentucky coal.

Graddy, who is part of the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal Initiative, counters that the switch away from coal as a power source has more to do with economics than regulations. He says coal-fired plants are more expensive and dirtier to operate than other alternatives that would cleaner and more efficient.

The Renewable Energy Debate
“Coal has run its course and it’s time for this state, and this nation, and this world to embrace renewables. We have an incredible potential for new jobs by converting this state to a solar state,” Graddy says. “It is doable right now and we’re not doing it now because our leaders are looking backward rather than forward.”

Graddy contends that installing solar panels can be affordable for individual homeowners thanks to tax credits and net metering, which in effect allows residents to sell excess power back to their utility company. He explains that installations can range from private homes to large commercial businesses to so-called solar farms operated by utility companies. Graddy says countries like Germany that have fully embraced solar now get a significant portion of domestic energy needs from sunlight.

Bissett says Germany “wrecked” its economy by relying too much on solar and now that nation has returned to building coal-fired power plants. While sustainable practices are smart, Bissett says consumers still want reliable power for their ever-expanding range of electronic devices.

“I would like to see President Obama’s administration in this last two years start looking to these other countries, look at India, China, Australia, many countries that are embracing coal again because they see the economic strength it gives them,” Bissett says.

Making Homes and Businesses More Energy Efficient
East Kentucky Power’s Tony Campbell believes having a diversity of fuel sources is important. He says his cooperative plans to discuss plans for a solar farm with the Public Service Commission in the near future. But he’s concerned that residential solar will only benefit wealthy homeowners who can afford the investment.

“We’re all right with solar, we’re all right with net metering, however we just want to make sure it’s fair,” Campbell says. “We don’t think poor people at the end of the line or people on fixed incomes should subsidize people that want to put solar on.”

Campbell says energy efficiency is the fairest approach. His coop and others have partnered with MACED to help consumers upgrade their homes to become more efficient. Ivy Brashear of MACED says that program involves no up-front costs to residents to retrofit their homes. Instead they in effect receive a loan for the upgrades, which they pay off with the savings they receive on their utility bills.

Brashear says the program results in less coal use and therefore less pollution from burning coal. Plus she contends they help low-income customers in eastern Kentucky who may face difficult choices between buying food and medicine or paying their utility bills. She says these upgrades along with retrofits to commercial businesses provide significant opportunities for the commonwealth.

“We’ve been a leader of energy production for 100-plus years,” Brashear says, “I think we can definitely be a leader of energy efficiency and alternative energy sources as well.”

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Tax Reform: The Issue That Won't Go Away

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LGBT Rights and Religious Liberty

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Education Discussion

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Energy and the Environment

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Transportation Issues Hit Bumpy Road

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Analysis of the 2015 Primary

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Kentucky Republican Governor Primary

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Democratic Primary for State Treasurer

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Republican Primary for State Treasurer

S22 E16 Length 28:01 Premiere Date 03/29/15

2015 Kentucky Elections

S22 E15 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/22/15

General Assembly Breakdown

S22 E14 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/15/15

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