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Renee Shaw and guests discuss the political climate six months into the Trump presidency. Guests: Trey Grayson, a Republican, former Kentucky Secretary of State; Jonathan Miller, a Democrat and former Kentucky State Treasurer; Mike Ward former Democratic state legislator and congressman; and Steve Robertson, former chair of the Republican Party of Kentucky.
Season 24 Episode 25 Length 56:33 Premiere: 07/17/17

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Discussing Trends in State and National Politics

In Washington, President Trump faces low approval ratings, a series of investigations, and a penchant for letting loose on Twitter in ways that don’t always help his cause.

Here in the commonwealth, Democrats are searching for ways to rebuild their connections with working-class voters, while Republicans want to protect the majorities they worked so long to gain.

KET’s Kentucky Tonight explored these and other stories on the state and national political scene with Trey Grayson, a Republican and former Kentucky Secretary of State; Jonathan Miller, a Democrat and former State Treasurer; Steve Robertson, political consultant and former chair of the Republican Party of Kentucky; and Mike Ward, campaign consultant and former Democratic congressman.
 

 

An Embattled White House
President Trump’s approval ratings are hovering between 36 and 40 percent in a number of recent polls (with approval scores in the low 40s in several others). The website FiveThirtyEight says that makes Trump the most unpopular of all modern presidents after their first six months in office.

Yet Trump’s numbers remain strong with his base with upwards of 80 percent of Republicans remaining in his corner.

“The president just has a very abrasive style and I think in many respects he’s unfiltered,” says Robertson. “To the folks in his party, that’s appreciated.”

Robertson says opinion polls don’t really matter this early in a presidency. What’s important, he says, is how voters view Trump’s achievements for the country after four years in office.

Such polarized numbers are not new. Trey Grayson says many Democrats remained loyal to former President Barack Obama even when his overall approval ratings dipped. Low numbers aren’t as much an issue now, but Grayson says if Trump’s ratings remain weak, that could pose a problem for Republicans in the 2018 midterms elections.

The ongoing Russia investigations have cast a long shadow over the Trump Administration. Robertson says if there was actual wrongdoing by the president or any of his associates, special prosecutor Robert Mueller or one of the Congressional committees will find it.

Grayson says he disagreed when the president dismissed his son’s meeting with Russian operatives as something any politician would have done to get information on an opponent. Grayson says he’s done such opposition research and he argues that taking a meeting with a foreign entity should never happen.

“I’m worried about it – it bothers me,” says Grayson. “There’s a lot of smoke right now… but it’s not at this point clear that there’s impeachable fire or presidency-ending fire.”

Don’t expect Trump to be impeached, says Mike Ward. He says the president will remain in office for at least a full term. Miller, on the other hand, says he would welcome an impeachment.

“I would love to have a President [Mike] Pence compared to President Trump,” says Miller. “Sure we’ll lose a lot of battles, we’ll lose Supreme Court seats, but I am really worried about America’s place in the world… I’m afraid there’ll be permanent damage there.”

On Capitol Hill
In the midst of the president’s struggles, congressional Republicans who have a majority in both chambers face challenges of their own.

“Right now it’s difficult to impose any kind of party discipline,” Grayson says of the GOP’s intramural differences. “It’s easier to stand unified in opposition, which Republicans were able to do really well during the Obama Administration, and it’s harder to stand unified… and get something done.”

The House barely passed a repeal of the Affordable Care Act, which saw 20 Republicans breaking ranks in the process. On the Senate side, four Republicans have now come out against the latest version of Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s repeal-and-replace legislation, which means it could be dead for now.

Among the Republicans opposing McConnell and his bill is fellow Kentuckian Rand Paul. The junior senator has pushed his own health care proposal, saying the American Health Care Act passed by the House and the Senate’s version of it don’t go far enough in reforming health care. Miller says Paul is right on one point.

“Republicans aren’t really repealing Obamacare,” says Miller. “They’re trying to act as though they are and I think that voters can see through this. So let’s put aside this charade, and let’s get Democrats and Republicans sitting at a table [and] fix the problems with Obamacare.”

Ward applauds McConnell’s efforts to wrangle his caucus to support the Senate proposal. But he contends that disagreement among Republicans isn’t the problem with passing health care legislation. The issue, Ward says, is that it’s a bad bill that would hurt those most in need of health care while giving tax cuts to the rich.

Even though congressional Democrats have approval numbers as low as the president’s, Ward says the health care debate provides his party a chance to fight for those who could lose their health coverage.

“Now we have stand up to the people in Washington, to President Trump and the Republican Senate and the Republican House who are trying to do bad things for America,” says Ward.

Grayson says many Republican lawmakers wanted Congress to tackle tax reform first, which he says would have been easier to develop consensus among the GOP ranks. But President Trump made health care the priority, he says.

Even if Sen. McConnell and congressional Republicans have struggled on health care, Robertson say they have had other victories. As examples he points to rollbacks of regulations that impact coal mining, and the Senate’s confirmation of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Traditional Media Versus Social Media
A key part of his candidacy and now his presidency is Trump’s war against mainstream news outlets. Even Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin has sought to bypass traditional media by communicating via Facebook videos and other online posts rather than talking to reporters.

“Social media is the future,” says Robertson. “If you want to have a direct, unfiltered channel to your supporters, that’s the way you do it.”

Grayson says politicians are foolish not to use social media to connect with voters. At the same time, though, he says the president should be more judicious in his Twitter habits.

Trump’s angry Tweets have made him the “emblematic internet troll,” says Miller. Although he was an early adopter of Facebook, Miller says his initial optimism about such Web platforms has faded.

“I thought social media was going to be a godsend for politics, it was going to democratize things, give everyone a voice,” says Miller. “It did for a little bit but unfortunately it really unleashed a lot of anger and nastiness.”

Then there are efforts by the president and others to undermine the legitimacy of traditional news outlets with the moniker of “fake news.” Ward says that’s harmful to the country.

“To the extent that Americans have nothing that they feel they can rely on or believe in, including things as basic as the Associated Press, we are going down a bad path,” says Ward. “[Trump] is doing something fundamentally wrong to our free society.”

Frankfort Politics
In addition to bringing Donald Trump to the White House, the 2016 elections also toppled the state Democratic Party’s decades-long hold on the Kentucky House of Representatives. Robertson says the sweeping majorities that Kentucky Republicans won in the legislature were the result of years of hard, disciplined work by his party. He says the state GOP focused on recruiting candidates, developing its donor base among small-dollar contributors, and building a grassroots network across the commonwealth.

As for the opposition, Robertson contends Democrats fell into a trap of being too dependent on one personality: former Gov. Steve Beshear. He argues that a majority of the party’s fundraising successes relied on holding the governor’s office.

“The problem is Kentucky Democratic Party hasn’t learned how to operate itself,” says Robertson. “The structure at Kentucky Democratic Party failed when one person [Gov. Beshear] came out of it.”

Miller agrees with that assessment and says the party must reinvent itself starting at the top. To be successful in the future, Miller says Democrats must do more than oppose President Trump. He says they must develop a coherent, unified message that doesn’t drift any farther to the left and will reconnect with working-class voters.

While he credits Republicans with a productive 2017 General Assembly session, Miller cautions the GOP not to get too comfortable. He says if nature abhors a vacuum, it also abhors one-party rule. Miller says no majority is permanent and, although it will take time, state Democrats will recover.

Tax reform could be one stumbling block to Republicans maintaining their hold on the legislature and the governor’s office. Robertson says everyone agrees that more funds must be devoted to the state’s ailing pension systems. But he adds that GOP lawmakers are uneasy about what the governor’s tax overhaul plan will actually contain.

If Bevin does outline a plan that calls for more or higher taxes, Miller says the governor risks unleashing the far right wing of the GOP against him. He says increasing revenues is the right thing to do, but it could make the governor politically vulnerable when he’s up for reelection in 2019.

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