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Racial Disparities in K-12 Public Education

Host Renee Shaw and guests discuss racial disparities in K-12 public education. Guests include: Andrew Brennen, co-founder of the Prichard Committee Student Voice Team; Ashley Lamb-Sinclair, 2016 Kentucky Teacher of the Year; and Roger Cleveland, Ed.D., director of the Center for Research on the Eradication of Educational Disparities (CREED) at Kentucky State University.
Season 27 Episode 28 Length 56:27 Premiere: 07/13/20

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Achieving Racial Equity in Kentucky’s Education System

The threads of systemic racism are tightly woven into American society, especially in public education, where Black youth can face a range of challenges. Research indicates that students of color lag behind white classmates in academic performance in many of Kentucky’s schools. Black students are less likely to be included in gifted and talented programs or advanced placement classes, and they are more likely to be disciplined, suspended, or expelled

“We have failed to serve our African-American students,” says Brigitte Blom Ramsey, President and CEO of the Prichard Committee for Academic Excellence. “We need to own that truth, we need to understand the causes with honesty, and we need to identify solutions.”

The issue isn’t just simple equity for students, says Roger Cleveland, director of the Center for Research on the Eradication of Educational Disparities at Kentucky State University. He says it’s a matter of racial equity.

“When we talk about equity, we’re talking about access and fairness and things like that for all students,” says Cleveland. “Racial equity is making sure that race should not be a barrier to academic success.”

Cleveland says conversations about racial equity must move from the margins to the center of civic dialogue in the commonwealth and nation. It’s a conversation in which educators and school administrators, parents and students have a role to play, according to Andrew Brennen, co-founder of the Prichard Committee Student Voice Team and a 2014 graduate of Lexington’s Paul Laurence Dunbar High School.

“People recognize that if we want to achieve racial justice in our society, it is a project that everyone has to be a part of whether you’re black or white,” says Brennen.

Promoting Diversity Among Teachers and Administrators

Without the encouragement of a Black teacher, Ashley Lamb-Sinclair wouldn’t have pursued a career in education.

The 2016 Kentucky Teacher of the Year credits long-time Danville Independent Schools teacher Robert Trumbo for recognizing her gift for teaching and encouraging her to enter the profession. Lamb-Sinclair says all students benefit from having teachers of color like Trumbo.

“It makes children better when they have diverse people in their lives,” she says.

Data measuring the racial composition of Kentucky's teachers.

The benefits are especially pronounced for Black students. Research indicates that test scores are higher for Black students who have teachers of color. A black student who has one Black teacher by third grade is 13 percent more likely to go to college. If they have two Black teachers by third grade, they are 32 percent more likely to pursue higher education.

But most students in the commonwealth don’t have the benefit of learning from a teacher of color because nearly 95 percent of educators in Kentucky schools are white, according to the state Department of Education. People of color are also underrepresented in school leadership positions: only 10 percent of principals and 3.5 percent of superintendents are nonwhite. People of color also comprise only 13 percent of school board members across the state.

“I didn’t see a teacher of color until I got to graduate school,” says Berea Independent Schools Superintendent Diane Hatchett.

Her own rise through the educational ranks had its challenges. Hatchett says people would question why she wanted to become a principal or superintendent. The tenor of job interviews would suddenly change when hiring panels realized she was Black. But Hatchett says it’s important for educators and administrators of color to be role models for students.

“Somebody has to be a path-setter,” she says. “It’s not easy. You have to get boards to be open to diversity and to not think that you’re less qualified because you happen to be African American.”

But given the current disparity between white and non-white teachers, Kentucky schools have enormous ground to make up. Ramsey says the state needs at least 3,000 teachers of color to equal the proportionality of students of color in the commonwealth’s classrooms.

State education officials are working to attract more minority teachers, but lawmakers failed to fund a key program in the Kentucky Department of Education that recruits, mentors, and provide financial support to minority teacher candidates. The state Board of Education along with Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman, who is also secretary of the Education and Workforce Development Cabinet, want the General Assembly to restore funding for the Kentucky Academy of Equity in Teaching. She also wants teachers statewide to take implicit bias training to learn how they may unconsciously act on prejudices or stereotypes they may hold.

“All of our children are better prepared for their future when exposed to a diverse community of leaders and teachers,” says Coleman.

But even extra recruitment efforts may not be enough to bring appropriate levels of diversity to the state’s classrooms, says KSU’s Roger Cleveland.

“We don’t have a large pool of African American students coming through the teacher education program,” he says. “So the issue is continue to recruit teachers of color, but also we prepare teachers at our universities [to] teach whoever walks into their classroom.”

Race Impacts Discipline and Educational Opportunities

But hiring more minority teachers is just one step to unpacking years of deeply entrenched racial problems that permeate education, according to Ashley Lamb-Sinclair, who is now a National Geographic Education Fellow.

“Systemic racism is a problem in all of our schools, and it is infiltrating all of the practices that we do all the time,” she says.

Those practices include discipline. Black students are suspended at higher rates than white students for the same infraction, says Cleveland.

Data measuring racial disparities in suspension and AP class makeup in Kentucky schools.

“African American students are suspended for subjective reasons: fail to follow rules, disrespect, insubordination,” he says. “White students... are suspended for objective reasons: fighting, weapons, which is crystal clear.”

For the 2018-2019 school year, Black youth received 37 percent of out-of-school suspensions even though they only comprise about 11 percent of the school population, according to state data.

At the same time, students of color are far less likely to participate in advanced educational programs. Blacks comprise less than 1 percent of students in Kentucky’s gifted and talented programs or enrolled in advanced placement courses.

Damien Sweeney, program coordinator for comprehensive school counseling in the Office of Teaching and Learning at the state Department of Education, says there are many traditional barriers that keep students of color out of those programs, such as the need to pass a certain test or have a recommendation from a teacher. He also says many African American parents don’t even know that such programs are an option for their children.

Sweeney says one way to level that playing field is to have open enrollment in AP classes, “which allows any student from any background, whether it’s an ethnic background, whether they’re special education, it doesn’t matter. If you want to take the challenge of an AP class, you can take it.”

Andrew Brennen says gifted and talented programs can create a kind of de facto segregation in schools.

“You have one group of students who are tracked for the gifted and talented, and they move together throughout the school day,” he says. “You have another group of students that is more likely to be diverse that is tracked differently and they move together throughout the school day... Oftentimes they’re on opposite sides of the building from one another.”

Even the youngest learners can suffer from racial inequities in education. Ramsey says white and Black students enter kindergarten at about the same level of preparedness. But by the time they reach third grade, there can be as much as a 20-point difference in math and reading scores between the two groups. She says that change can’t be fully attributed to the family environment since those students had roughly the same readiness when they started school.

“What happened in kindergarten through third grade that allowed for a 20-point difference in outcomes?” says Ramsey. “Those are the courageous conversations we need to have to understand why is that the case.”

She says the causes can include implicit bias as well as lower expectations for Black students. Educators may also lack the cultural competence to understand the life experiences and social challenges that minority students bring into the classroom.

Sweeney says Black students can also suffer from dehumanization, in which they internalize negative feelings that society has about them. He says Black students that exhibit behavioral problems are often placed in special education classes rather than given mental health referrals. And they can also suffer from vicarious trauma from being exposed to constant video replays of Blacks being killed by police officers.

“Because of that, we’ve got to really be prepared... to address that racial trauma, not only with our students but specifically with our staff,” says Sweeney.

School counselors could help students with trauma and other mental health concerns, but Brennen says the counselor-to-student ratio in Kentucky is twice the recommended average. The state is working to increase the number of counselors, but it’s also funding armed school resource officers to serve as security. Brennen contends that’s a mistake.

“When we replace mental health treatment with law enforcement, you end up in a situation where... Black students in pipelines to career and college end up in pipelines to correctional facilities,” he says.

In a resolution adopted this month, the Kentucky Board of Education affirmed its commitment to racial equity and acknowledged that the state’s public schools have a history of inequity. The document says students and staff of color are often left out of important conversations, and education officials have allowed achievement gaps among students to persist and in some cases increase.

Brennen says students are ready to participate in and even lead discussions on racial issues in their schools. He says in recent years, Black students in Louisville and Lexington have formed student unions, protested racist statements made by school administrators, and spoken publicly about their experiences with racial profiling.

“Students in particular are oftentimes the most valuable but least-tapped resource when it comes to conversations about how to improve our schools and dismantle some of these systems,” says Brennen.

Berea Schools Superintendent Diane Hatchett says teachers and administrators have a moral obligation to address racism in schools since they are the ones educating future generations.

“It’s not enough to sit on sidelines,” says Hatchett. “If you sit on the sidelines, you’re part of the problem. We want to be part of the solution.”

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