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School Choice and Tax-Credit Scholarships

Renee Shaw and her guests discuss tax-credit scholarships and school vouchers as education policy goals. Guests: Charles Leis, president of EdChoice Kentucky; Gay Adelmann, co-founder of Save Our Schools Kentucky; Andrew Vandiver, associate director of the Catholic Conference of Kentucky; and Eric Kennedy, director of governmental relations for the Kentucky School Boards Association.
Season 24 Episode 22 Length 56:33 Premiere: 06/19/17

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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School Choice and Tax-Credit Scholarships

It sounds like a good deal: An individual or business makes a donation to a qualified non-profit organization that uses those funds to provide educational scholarships to students so they can attend the private K-12 school of their choice.

In return, the donor gets a nearly dollar for dollar credit on their state income taxes, in addition to being able to deduct the charitable donation from their federal income taxes.

Supporters of these scholarship tax credits see it as a way to provide school choice options to low- and middle-income students who might otherwise be locked into attending an under-performing public school.

Opponents fear the program could drain revenues from already depleted state coffers and thus put public education funding at risk.

KET’s Kentucky Tonight explored scholarship tax credits with Gay Adelmann, co-founder of Save Our Schools Kentucky; Eric Kennedy, director of governmental relations for the Kentucky School Boards Association; Charles Leis, president of EdChoice Kentucky; and Andrew Vandiver, associate director of the Catholic Conference of Kentucky.

 

 

Giving Students More Academic Options
Proponents of the tax credits say wealthier Kentuckians already have a variety of options for educating their children, especially if their local public schools don’t fit their needs. Charles Leis of EdChoice Kentucky says those parents can afford to place their kids in private schools or to move to another district where the public schools are better. They can also hire tutors to work with a child who has particular academic needs or interests.

But what if your child is foundering in public school and you don’t have the financial means to pay for private education? Andrew Vandiver of the Catholic Conference of Kentucky says low- and middle-income families deserve to have the same options that wealthier families do.

“When a child has the opportunity to be in a classroom that best fits their needs, they going to do better academically,” says Vandiver. “For some children that’s going to be a public school, but others, they may need a nonpublic school option.

How the Proposed Program Would Work
In the 2017 General Assembly Session, House Education Committee Chairman John Carney (R-Campbellsville) and Sen. Ralph Alvarado (R-Winchester) sponsored legislation in their respective chambers to create a scholarship tax credit program. Their bills provided for $25 million in tax credits in fiscal year 2018 to go to individuals and corporations that donate to qualified scholarship granting organizations. Within six years, the cap on available tax credits could reach $76 million.

Those wishing to contribute to a scholarship organization would have to get pre-approval to receive the tax credit from state revenue officials. The credit is valued at 90 percent of the contribution, so a $1,000 donation would yield a $900 credit against state taxes owed. The state will issue the tax credits on a first-come, first-serve basis until the annual cap is reached.

The commonwealth must certify scholarship-granting organizations receiving the donations. These non-profit entities must distribute at least 90 percent of their receipts to scholarships for use within the commonwealth. Kennedy says three such organizations already exist in the state: the Alliance for Catholic Urban Education in Covington, as well as School Choice Scholarships, and the Catholic Education Foundation in Louisville. (Although two of those groups are affiliated with the Catholic Church, Kennedy says children receiving aide do not have to be Catholic.)

Students eligible to receive one of these scholarships must come from families where annual household earnings are not more than 200 percent of income needed to qualify for reduced-price meals at school. For a family of four, that would be an annual income of about $91,000, according to the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy.

“You have to demonstrate need,” says Leis. “The lower your income level the higher percentage of the need that you get awarded to you.”

Students seeking scholarships could already attend a private school or they could use the money to leave their public school for a nonpublic option. A provision of the proposed legislation would also allow scholarship money to pay for services like occupational and speech-language therapy for special needs students.

Scholarships can cover the costs of tuition and required fees to attend a certified, nonpublic, K-12 school in the commonwealth. Opponents contend these nonpublic schools don’t face the same accountability measures as public schools. Under the proposed legislation private schools wanting to participate in the program would have to complete a certification process through the Kentucky Department of Education.

Although the scholarship tax credit concept has the support of Gov. Matt Bevin, neither bill made it out of committee during the 2017 legislative session. At present 17 states have some form of scholarship tax credit program, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

A Lack of Nonpublic School Choices
Vandiver says studies indicate that educational outcomes for all students improve in states that have tax credit scholarships as a school choice option. He says that’s because students in the program get the type of instruction that best serves their needs, while teachers in public schools can devote more of their time to the students who remain in those classrooms.

But in Kentucky the number of available educational options depends in large part on where you live. Eric Kennedy of the Kentucky School Boards Association says a number of public school systems do offer magnet programs or districts of innovation schools that provide more specialized instruction, but he says those options tend to be clustered in wealthier, more populous districts like those in the ‘Golden Triangle’ between Louisville, Lexington, and northern Kentucky.

That’s also where the majority of certified nonpublic schools are located, according to Kennedy. He says two-thirds of all state school districts don’t have a private school option that would qualify for the tax-credit scholarship program. That would leave many students in rural parts of eastern, southern, and western Kentucky unable to benefit from the program, he says.

Kennedy is also concerned that there simply won’t be enough scholarship money to help the number of students who may want it.

“There’s always going to be someone who can’t qualify – it can never be enough money,” says Kennedy. “The only thing that can guarantee that each and every child in the state has the substantially equal access to the same opportunity is in the public schools.”

Vandiver says this year’s scholarship tax credit proposal was just the first step in broadening school choice in Kentucky – and it would have helped thousands of students.

“We’re moving from having no choice whatsoever for low- and middle-income families too often to trying to introduce choice into the system,” says Vandiver. “That’s going to take time to work.”

Budget Concerns and Constitutional Questions
Then there’s the potential impact on state finances. Kennedy contends Kentucky simply can’t afford to lose $25 million to $76 million in tax revenues at a time when state finances are already strapped with public pension debts, crumbling infrastructure, and other needs. He fears that education budgets that were already cut during the recession years could see further reductions.

As a taxpayer, Gay Adelmann of Save Our Schools Kentucky opposes the scholarship tax credits because she says they, in effect, shift public resources to private organizations.

“I pay taxes… because I want an educated society, I want to live in a society that cares about educating all students,” says Adelmann. “I don’t want that money leaving the public education system. It’s there for the benefit of the greater good.”

Leis contends that the tax credit should have a no-net cost to the commonwealth, and he says some projections even estimate savings of $900,000 in the first year of the program. Vandiver says most studies of other tax credit scholarship programs elsewhere show positive or neutral impacts on state revenues. That’s because what the state may lose in tax revenues should be offset by lower education costs as students transfer from public schools, where the state allocates funding based on the number of pupils in attendance, to privately operated schools.

(The Legislative Research Commission wrote a fiscal note to the legislation proposed by Sen. Alavardo that says the proposal would have a negative impact on state revenues equal to the amount of the tax credit. The note also indicates there could be savings as well, but of an indeterminable amount.)

Then there are legal concerns about the scholarships. Kennedy says Kentucky’s Constitution specifically mandates that all children have equal access to same or substantially the same educational opportunities, no matter where in the commonwealth they live. He says the program could be considered unconstitutional if it results in lower state funding for poorer, more rural districts.

“I think there are some significant concerns that we would be violating definitely the spirit and perhaps the letter of our constitutional law if any of our public, common school resources and funding is given to a private school,” Kennedy says.

Even if individual public schools lose some students, Leis contends the overall system will be able to continue.

“The public system is still educating 80 percent or more of the children,” says Leis, “We’re not going to put the public schools out of business.”

With the state lawmakers already approving charter schools, Adelmann says she fears that the push for more school choice has opened a “Pandora’s box” that will lead to an increasing amount of public dollars going to private and nontraditional schools. She fears that will exacerbate the existing problems of public schools having to do more with less funding.

“If we would put the same of focus and attention that we’ve been putting on charter schools and vouchers and credits back into our public schools and help the community get engaged in public schools again, we could solve these problems,” Adelmann says.

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