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The Economic State of the State

Renee Shaw hosts a discussion about Kentucky's economy with guests Jason Bailey, executive director of the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy; Terry Brooks, executive director of Kentucky Youth Advocates; Andrew McNeill, visiting policy fellow with the Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions; and Kate Shanks, vice president of public affairs for the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce.
Season 27 Episode 44 Length 56:34 Premiere: 12/14/20

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

This weekly program features comprehensive discussions with lawmakers, stakeholders and policy leaders that are moderated by award-winning journalist Renee Shaw.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Debating the Best Path Forward for Kentucky's Economy in 2021

At the start of 2020, the state and national economy was humming and key indicators were trending in positive directions.

Then COVID-19 hit, resulting in shuttered businesses, millions of job losses, and a steep dive in the stock markets.

Now as the nation heads into year two of the pandemic, there is hope that the newly approved COVID vaccines will help get the coronavirus under control and enable Americans to return to some semblance of life as it used to be.

“There are hopeful indications that after... we start to see the cases really decline that some activity will go back to normal,” says Jason Bailey, executive director of the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy. “But we have a ways to go and there’s also going to be a lot of pain between now and then.”

That includes economic hardship. After starting the year with about 3.5 percent unemployment, Kentucky’s jobless rate jumped to nearly 17 percent in April. As the economy started to recover this summer, the unemployment rate dropped, and now sits at 7.4 percent as of October.

What’s worse is that many of the sate’s unemployed have stopped looking for work. Kentucky Chamber of Commerce Vice President of Public Affairs Kate Shanks says the commonwealth has long been in the bottom tier of states in terms of workforce participation. Thanks to the pandemic, Kentucky dropped from 40th to 49th. She hopes that as employment rebounds, workforce participation will also improve.

“We’re not out of the woods yet,” says Shanks. “We have got to get policy right in the next few months when our General Assembly is in town... in order to make sure that our economic recovery is in step with our health crisis recovery.”

The pandemic-related layoffs and furloughs have hit the state’s poor and working-class families especially hard. Kentucky Youth Advocates Executive Director Terry Brooks says food insecurity among children has increased since the pandemic, and 20 percent of families fear they won’t meet their mortgage or rental payments next month. While the COVID vaccines have given Americans much-needed hope, he says the coming months will require caution, discipline, and sound public policy.

“I think there is a litany of good ideas that we can see enacted in the 2021 General Assembly that will act as a catalyst to spur the economy and at the same time be helping the most vulnerable of Kentuckians,” says Brooks.

Social Policies That Can Benefit Kentucky’s Economy

Child care is at the top of Brooks’ policy list. He says half of Kentucky families live in a child care desert, which makes it difficult for parents to hold jobs and find someone to look after their children during work hours.

Early child care is also a priority for the Kentucky Chamber. Shanks says that it is a workforce issue and an education issue to ensure that children spend time in an environment that stimulates quality learning.

Lack of child care also raises gender equity concerns. Shanks says with so many child care centers and schools closed during the pandemic, it’s often women who step away from their outside jobs to look after their children.

“How does that affect their lifelong earning potential? How does that affect the trajectory of their career? How does that affect the role of women in leadership positions in the workplace?” says Shanks. “We’re really concerned that women have taken a step back.”

The Chamber wants the state to help increase child care resources for parents through more licensed facilities as well as more in-home and at-work options.

Another challenge is kinship care in which a person raises the child or children of a relative. Brooks says Kentucky has more kinship families than any other state in the nation, about 77,000. He says the commonwealth’s kinship system makes it difficult for caregivers, two-thirds of whom are under 60 years of age, to participate in the workforce.

Brooks also says criminal justice reforms would help reunite low-level offenders with their families and get them back into the workforce. He says there are 13,000 parents serving time in Kentucky jails and prisons for some of the lowest of offenses.

Finally Brooks encourages state lawmakers to consider a refundable earned income tax credit for low- to moderate-income parents.

“That’s good for working families,” says Brooks. “It’s great for local economies.”

Two Views on Growth and Taxes

Tax policy is at the heart of a new report from the Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions. “The Lost Decades” explores how Kentucky has underperformed over the last 40 years compared to other states.

“In 1980 Kentucky was essentially as wealthy as North Carolina and Tennessee, but since 1980 their growth has far exceeded Kentucky’s,” says Andrew McNeill, a visiting fellow at the think tank and author of the report. “Those states have really embraced... economic freedom and limited government. Kentucky has been really more in the business of progressive redistribution and that has led to a certain stagnation in the growth.”

Progressive redistribution, according to McNeill, is where a state government takes the revenues garnered from high tax rates and redistributes it to favored political constituencies.

Under Republican leadership in 2018, the Kentucky legislature passed a tax reform package that lowered corporate and individual tax rates and applied the sales tax to more services. Those changes were projected to raise $500 million in additional revenues for the state over the next five years. McNeill argues that sound tax policies must be revenue neutral and cannot favor special interests over individuals and entrepreneurs.

“You can’t call something pro-growth [if it’s] intended to raise revenues,” he says. “So revenue neutrality has to be the first principal of tax reform going forward in the state for us to be competitive.”

The report gives 11 policy recommendations to improve growth, including passage of a Taxpayer Protection Act to force lawmakers to tie spending increases to inflation and population growth. Legislators should also add five-year sunset provisions to existing and future state government programs.

“It is time to evaluate programs for their effectiveness,” says McNeill. “It is time to determine whether or not those dollars should be continued to be spent in these programs or can they be reallocated to more important priorities.”

Bailey says transparency and evaluation of government programs are good goals, but he says that shouldn’t lead to further cuts to services that are already woefully underfunded due to 20 state budget reductions since the 2008 recession. He says those cuts have undermined critical government services like education and infrastructure that he contends are fundamental to growth and prosperity. Bailey also argues that the 2018 tax cuts will further slow the rate of revenue growth for the state.

“What we need to do is go back to what we had for 100 years and what the majority of states still have, which is a graduated income tax that asks more of those who have more,” he says.

If tax policy were required to be revenue neutral, Bailey argues, there is no way the state could collect enough money to make up for the cuts endured over the last decade. He also says that states with the highest marginal tax rates on the wealthy perform better in gross domestic product per capita, average income growth, and unemployment. Bailey says even North Carolina, a state cited by McNeill as outpacing Kentucky, was able to invest in education and infrastructure because it had the highest income tax rates in the South until recently.

Bailey further adds that Kentucky has suffered economically not because of a progressive redistribution of wealth but because of a legacy of extractive industries like coal mining that have taken wealth out of the state.

Other Options for Promoting Growth

In addition to restoring a graduated income tax, Bailey also advocates for a gradual increase of the minimum wage to $15 an hour. He says that would raise the wages of 625,000 Kentuckians and lift the economy of the entire state.

“That’s the kind of economic development policy that you actually see in the most prosperous states,” says Bailey, “but it’s the kind of thing that we’ve neglected.”

But with Republican supermajorities in both chambers of the legislature, that’s unlikely to happen. Shanks says the Kentucky Chamber also opposes a mandated wage hike for Kentuckians.

“We want to see wage growth,” she says, “but we want to see that through economic growth.”

Shanks contends Kentucky is on the path to growth thanks to a robust manufacturing sector, the 2018 tax overhaul, changes to workers compensation, passage of a right-to-work law, and repeal of the prevailing wage mandate. But then the pandemic stalled that growth, she says.

For the new year, the Chamber’s policy recommendations include creating a healthy, educated, and skilled workforce; encouraging knowledge-based entrepreneurship; and building a modern infrastructure. She says if employers don’t think they can grow here, they’ll look to locate in other states like Tennessee.

“We need to bring people to Kentucky and people to realize that Kentucky is a place for opportunity, where you can have really great quality of life,” says Shanks. “By becoming more competitive, what we’re doing is attracting more jobs to our state, more investment, and we are growing our population.”

One tax increase the Chamber endorses is a hike in the gasoline tax to help fund state and local road projects. Shanks says that it is a revenue measure that keeps the state competitive and grows jobs.

“It’s a tax,” she says, “but it’s a tax that puts people back to work [and] it stays in Kentucky.”

Even if it’s marketed as a “user fee,” McNeill says a gas tax increase is unnecessary when the state already spends $1.5 billion a year on road projects. Plus, he argues it hurts low-income families at a time when they’re already struggling to make ends meet.

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The Economic State of the State

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Reopening Kentucky Classrooms During a Coronavirus Surge

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S27 E42 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 11/23/20

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Kentucky's U.S. Senate Race

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Issues Affecting Kentucky's 4th Congressional District

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Issues Affecting Kentucky's 3rd Congressional District

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Previewing the 2020 General Election

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Special Education, Student Mental Health and COVID-19

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Challenges and Benefits of Remote Learning in Kentucky

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COVID-19's Impact on Higher Education in Kentucky

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Reopening Kentucky's Schools

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Racial Disparities in K-12 Public Education

S27 E28 Length 56:27 Premiere Date 07/13/20

Police Reform Issues

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Previewing the 2020 Primary Election

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Kentucky Tonight: State of Unrest

S27 E25 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/15/20

2020 Primary Election Candidates, Part Four

S27 E24 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/08/20

2020 Primary Election Candidates, Part Three

S27 E22 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/01/20

2020 Primary Election Candidates, Part Two

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2020 Primary Election Candidates, Part One

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Reopening Rules for Restaurants and Retail

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COVID-19's Impact on Primary Voting and Local Governments

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Reopening Kentucky's Economy

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Health, Legal and Voting Issues During the COVID-19 Outbreak

S27 E12 Length 57:23 Premiere Date 03/30/20

Kentucky's Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic

S27 E11 Length 58:03 Premiere Date 03/23/20

Finding Agreement on State Budget Issues

S27 E10 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 03/16/20

Election and Voting Legislation

S27 E9 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/09/20

State Budget

S27 E8 Length 56:36 Premiere Date 02/24/20

Debating State Budget Priorities

S27 E7 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 02/17/20

Medical Marijuana

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Sports Betting Legislation

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2020 Kentucky General Assembly

S27 E2 Length 56:37 Premiere Date 01/13/20

2020 Kentucky General Assembly

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