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Forecasting the U.S. Economy

Bill and his guests discuss the U.S. economy. Scheduled guests: Brian Strow, economics professor at Western Kentucky University; Chris Phillips, economics professor at Somerset Community College; Aaron Yelowitz, economics professor at the University of Kentucky; and Malcolm Robinson, economics professor at Thomas More College.
Season 23 Episode 37 Length 56:34 Premiere: 09/19/16

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Professors Examine National, State Economic Outlooks

Even as the national economy continues to grow, many Kentuckians still find themselves concerned about their personal finances and their employment prospects. A recent report from the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy indicates that the commonwealth still lacks more than 47,000 jobs below employment levels of 2007. It also says rural, younger, and minority workers, as well as those with low educational attainment face significant challenges when it comes to jobs and wages.

A panel of four economics professors appeared on KET’s Kentucky Tonight to discuss a range of state and national economic issues. The guests were Chris Phillips of Somerset Community College, Malcolm Robinson of Thomas More College, Brian Strow of Western Kentucky University, and Aaron Yelowitz of the University of Kentucky.

 

Diagnosing the National Economy
The professors say the domestic economy is a mixed bag these days, with good news for some individuals and not-so-good news for others. Brian Strow says low unemployment and low inflation are positive indicators, but he’s deeply concerned that the employment rate (the percent of adults with a job) is lower now than it was at the beginning of the recession.

Chris Phillips agrees, saying there are 10 to 12 million working-age adults who are not even looking for employment despite the fact that the nation has created some 15 million new jobs since the recession hit bottom.

The combination of job growth and relatively stable unemployment numbers puzzles Malcolm Robinson. He says a Federal Reserve economist speculates that it’s due to people returning to work after years of being out of the job market. Overall though, Robinson argues that recovery has been stagnant with growth rates of only 1 or 2 percent. He says normal post-recession growth rates are usually 4 to 5 percent.

“The reality is that… this slow-growth, low-inflation economy where interest rates are very, very low, that may be the new normal,” says Robinson.

There is a positive sign in a recent growth in incomes. Yelowitz says personal earnings have grown by more than 5 percent in the last year. But he adds that’s an average increase. Some parts of the country, including the South, have seen incomes advance by less than 3 percent, according to Yelowitz.

Kentucky’s Economic Outlook
While rural parts of the commonwealth are struggling, Phillips says the state’s “Golden Triangle” between Cincinnati, Lexington, and Louisville continues to be the economic driver for the commonwealth. He credits the gains there to the auto industry, tourism, and the state’s native spirit.

“We do very good in bourbon,” Phillips says. “China buys a lot of bourbon and they tend to like what we can provide for them.”

With more Kentuckians now enrolled in some form of health insurance, Yelowitz says health care is a growing sector for the commonwealth. He says the state’s aging population will also help drive that industry. But Yelowitz also fears that some of the reforms created by the Affordable Care Act may deepen what he describes as a welfare culture, especially in eastern Kentucky. He argues that some welfare policies incentivize people to not work or to remain at low-income levels.

As for other challenges, Strow says the state is severely hampered by fiscal decisions being made in Frankfort. He says the unfunded public pension liabilities will stymie growth in the commonwealth by casting a shadow over economic development and business recruitment efforts.

“Where should a firm locate [when considering] one state versus the next?” Strow asks. “I assure you they’re going to go for the states with the higher bond rating – the ones that they don’t think are going to come back and hit them up for higher taxes in the near future.”

What’s Up with Wages?
A number of states and municipalities, including Louisville and Lexington, have enacted minimum wage hikes as a way to help those in low-paying jobs. But Yelowitz contends such actions generally cost jobs and end up hurting the individuals the increase was designed to help.

“We need people to be more productive in order to earn higher wages,” Yelowitz says. “Many of the proposals out there are trying prop up wages through non-productive ways.”

A better way to help workers earn more money, according to Brian Strow, is to give them better job training.

“If we’re going talk policies going forward to improve economic growth, we have to talk about getting a higher skill set to the average American worker,” Strow says. “It’s that skill set that’s going to determine productivity and long-term increases in their standard of living.”

Malcolm Robinson puts part of the blame for the weak labor market on the slow economy. He says employers keep job postings open until they find a qualified applicant who is willing to accept the low wage being offered.

“It would be great if the economy were growing faster at which point firms would then feel a need to pay higher wages to compete for workers… but if you don’t have that, if you can pick and choose who you’re going to hire, then wages just aren’t going to grow.”

Trade Policies
International trade has become a leading issue in this year’s presidential campaign. Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump both say they oppose trade deals that could hurt American workers, and they’re against the agreement among 12 Pacific Rim nations known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Thomas More College’s Robinson says TPP isn’t a standard trade deal designed to end barriers and quotas. He contends it’s more about protecting intellectual property rights and eliminating non-tariff trade barriers. Robinson says one of the arguments against TPP is that it would threaten American sovereignty to create its own regulations. At the same time Robinson warns that isolationism in trade policy has the dangerous result of limiting American access to much needed international capital markets.

Brian Strow says he hopes President Obama is able to secure ratification of TPP before he leaves office. He says Obama wants the U.S. to have more Asian trading partners without having to be as reliant on China, which is not a part of TPP. Strow contends fewer trade barriers will increase domestic exports and jobs, and boost the overall economy.

Any trade deal should create a net positive outcome for the United States, says Yelowitz. He says the winners in trade agreements are consumers who get lower prices on a greater variety of products. The losers are often those people who become unemployed when their jobs go to countries that pay lower wages.

“How you deal with the people who then get displaced and how you try to reintegrate them into the labor force is a fundamental policy issue,” says Yelowitz. “Do you retrain them, do you give them extended unemployment, what do you do?”

Other Issues
Immigration policy also impacts the domestic economy, according to Strow. He contends that building a wall and keeping people out is counter productive to a thriving economy because gross domestic product growth is connected to population growth. So he says as the country welcomes more immigrants, the economy grows more quickly.

The weak European economy has been a significant drag on global markets, says Robinson. On the other hand, he adds that the flight of capital from Europe has helped keep interest rates in the United States low.

But if the American economy hit another recession in the next few years, how much lower could the Federal Reserve cut interest rates? Robinson says there are unconventional monetary policies they could employ, including negative interest rates whereby central banks would charge commercial banks to hold their deposits. Some banks in Europe and Japan have set interest rates below zero, but Strow says Federal Reserve officials would be “completely unhinged” to consider such a move here.

A better way to spur the U.S. economy, says Robinson, is to invest in much needed infrastructure improvements. Both Trump and Clinton have proposed substantial infrastructure initiatives in their presidential campaign platforms, but Strow and Yelowitz warn that would skyrocket an already oversized national debt.

While American consumers have enjoyed relatively stable prices for goods and services, Phillips says there are several sectors that are cause for concern.

“Prices have been roughly flat, about 1 percent inflation the last couple years,” Phillips says, “but there are particularly three areas where we’re seeing substantial inflation: health care, housing, and education.”

Even with the spiraling costs of college tuitions, Robinson contends a more educated workforce is better for society and the economy. But Yelowitz counters that the economic gains from a college degree are largely personal. He says student loan options should be structured to help individuals make prudent choices about which majors to pursue.

As for health care, Yelowitz says he fears some businesses may not expand their operations or may limit the hours of their existing employees as a way to avoid the Affordable Care Act’s employer mandate. He also says some individuals may not want to earn more money because they fear losing the subsidy that ACA offers lower income people.

On the state level, Strow says Kentucky’s expanded Medicaid program may be encouraging some people to drop out of the workforce since they don’t need a job to get access to health coverage. He notes that the decline in the state’s employment rate in the past few years is comparable to the decrease in the rate of uninsured Kentuckians in that same time period.

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